More Vishous Talk

I know I said I'd not pick up another romance book, but Claiming the Courtesean by Anna Campbell is quite controversial in terms of it's sexual policitcal correctness. Seems if a man asserts himself on his slave by physically communicating a message of dominance, it's akin to rape and really bad in the romance genre where light and love rule. Of course I had to read it. Trust I'll have comments about it, scathing ones if I dislike it.

But speaking of domination..


Once again, I'm posting about V and BDSM on the BDB board. In the middle of my post which I'll include here, I realized that all the Brothers were Doms to a degree and nearly all of their initial encounters with their women were violent in some way. I don't think people reading romance novels have a problem with the sexual encounters being a bit rough because they eventually know in the end, the characters wind up together.

When talking about Vishous having a taste for heavy BDSM games, it seems a bit silly to exclusively think that since he's getting his happy ending, the sex will be sweet and gentle. No one is having sweet and gentle sex, not even Marissa.

On the flip side tho, i was chatting with Diane about the comparison people were making between Z's experience and V's pleasures. One seems to cancel out the other in terms of signifigant character development. What was a tramatic experience to one is just fun and games to another. It's a fairly surprising and poor choice on Wards part if indeed she does go there with V in his book.

I thought I'd post my thoughts on the board. I will probably get edited in some capacity if not entirely.I don't know where the line of distaste falls. I guess I'll find out.

Here's my post:

quote="Skadi_Sax"
I tend to go along with the Z analogies. I have a feeling V's unconventional ways are just his way of adjusting to early traumatic events.

Dude, I love your post. I was thinking about the V & Z analogies earlier. Here are my thoughts. I'm fully aware I might be talking out my a**. :lol:

If V's habits are his way of working out some traumatic incident in his pretrans life, doesn't that sort of invalidate and diminish Z's horrible, yet really delicious, experience as a blood slave? Z did not have a choice in the matter where as V is fully aware of what he's doing in the penthouse.

Then again, does V know what happened to Zsadist during his unfortunate captivity? I presume Phury has to know all the details but even that eludes me. I'm not saying that the boys have played my scars are bigger than yours but it strikes me as odd that V would even 'play' so far off the chain knowing about Z.

If that is the case (and I'm seriously theorizing) V figuratively takes the role of Z's mistress thereby making a mockery of Z's pain, suffering and (unchecked) hate. It makes me wonder if there isn't some sub textual riff between V and Z as a result of V's tastes. When Butch asks Phury if he's gay *snort*, Phury responds with a go ask your roommate. The reaction is almost disapproval, almost humor, but no neutrality.

I think a more relevant comparison could be made with JM and Vishous. JM's a hot twink on the street, no family, no friends, alone...crap happens. Maybe V's experienced a similar situation by someone he loved and trusted. As a result he becomes this emotionally stilted person who doesn't let anyone in and only allows himself to feel in spurts. Like Z and JM, administering or receiving pain is a good way to work those emotions out.

quote="Witchie Poo"
I get the impression that so far V has only been dominant. I'm sure that Jane will want to make love in other more tender and emotionally connected ways. A situation in which V was always playing the dominant would not be sexually or emotionally healthy for V and Jane as a couple.


The Brothers are very aggressive and dominate with their women. Each of them are Doms in their own right. Are any of their relationships emotionally healthy and tender in a conventional sense? IMO, no, but it doesn't make them any less valid or satisfying. I'd be surprised if Jane's first intimate encounter with V didn't involve some level of 'violence.' It's not like there isn't precedence:

Wrath breaks into Beth's house the night after she's almost raped and scares her. Since the postman always rings twice, he goes back the next night. This time he forcibly lays waste to her common sense. Good thing he's hot in addition to being scary!!

Rhage slams Mary against a wall-by her throat no less, and demands she speak while getting deep into her space. Mary books a flight to Stockholm. Bella never mentioned they'd be going to Sweden.

In the gym Zsadist tells Bella to get on her hands and knees (whoot!) at their first encounter while juggling his dagger. I mean how dare she interrupt Mr. Ultraviolence during his workout. Bella's terrified but quite down with Z's program until Phury interruptus. She pays him back splendidly during her needing. heh!

Butch...well he's all ready to throw down when threatened by V until the Red Sox makes them BFF, best friends forever.

What I'm saying is..dominate males aren't such a bad thing. Even after their initial scary yet titillating starts, none of the ladies are complaining. Why would they? Every brother is fantabulous despite their issues. I love V as a dominant male and a Dom. He's able to take care of what's his, what he loves :coughButchCough:. I don't believe it will be puppies and kittens between V and Jane.

I’m gonna slide back into my default wait and see position. We’ll know soon enough, right?

I'm really enjoying this thread and hope my sense of humor doesn't offend anyone. :)

That's all for now..